Free Flight, Free Speech

You cannot swing the sword of truth in a crowd without someone getting hurt.

LesterBoffo wrote:

MIG29pilot wrote:Lester what on Earth do you mean by a belief system? One believes, or one doesn't.

How very binary of you. There could possibly be a third way? Agnostic's have long countered binary thinking that you have to either believe or not.

I still don't know what you are talking about.

I used to, now I'm not so certain, in fact pretty doubtful about a universe that has a 'maker' or purpose for the chosen 'crown of creation' seeing how the 'crown' seems to think his activities and interrelations don't have equals representative in other faiths or non-faiths, and these people can be treated as less than human.

1.)Please use correct grammar. It helps a lot.
2.) If I get you correctly, I still don't know what you are referring to. Examples?

MIG29pilot wrote:

LesterBoffo wrote:

MIG29pilot wrote:Lester what on Earth do you mean by a belief system? One believes, or one doesn't.

How very binary of you. There could possibly be a third way? Agnostic's have long countered binary thinking that you have to either believe or not.

I still don't know what you are talking about.

I used to, now I'm not so certain, in fact pretty doubtful about a universe that has a 'maker' or purpose for the chosen 'crown of creation' seeing how the 'crown' seems to think his activities and interrelations don't have equals representative in other faiths or non-faiths, and these people can be treated as less than human.

1.)Please use correct grammar. It helps a lot.
2.) If I get you correctly, I still don't know what you are referring to. Examples?

Binary means 'two'. Binary code has two digits. He says that he thinks that you think that there are only two ways.

MIG29pilot wrote:;)
You cannot swing the sword of truth in a crowd without someone getting hurt.

Yeah and flinging poo at a wall makes the wall messy and stink. So?

MIG29pilot wrote:

LesterBoffo wrote:

MIG29pilot wrote:Lester what on Earth do you mean by a belief system? One believes, or one doesn't.

How very binary of you. There could possibly be a third way? Agnostic's have long countered binary thinking that you have to either believe or not.

I still don't know what you are talking about.

I used to, now I'm not so certain, in fact pretty doubtful about a universe that has a 'maker' or purpose for the chosen 'crown of creation' seeing how the 'crown' seems to think his activities and interrelations don't have equals representative in other faiths or non-faiths, and these people can be treated as less than human.

1.)Please use correct grammar. It helps a lot.
2.) If I get you correctly, I still don't know what you are referring to. Examples?

How do I wade through what you post? It's obfuscatory and pendantic, and if you don't know what these mean, learn to look them up with Google.

My grammar is fine in comparison to someone who shouts online "VOTE FOR MEEEEEE!"

So I suggest you cease to fling it.

I'll take your suggestion with all the seriousness it deserves, in light of your initial postings on this forum.

OK?

LesterBoffo wrote:

MIG29pilot wrote:Lester what on Earth do you mean by a belief system? One believes, or one doesn't.

How very binary of you. There could possibly be a third way? Agnostic's have long countered binary thinking that you have to either believe or not.

I disagree. As far as I know "gnosis" refers to knowledge whereas the "belief" referred to is no doubt "theism" (right?). So in one sense I think MIG is right; you either subscribe to the proposition that god exists (theism) or you do not (Atheism).

However, regardless of what your belief is about it your knowledge is a different matter. So being an atheist doesn't mean one isn't also an agnostic. Likewise one could be an agnostic theist. In my opinion the only unreasonable position is that of saying one knows, for a fact, unequivocally, that god exists, seeing that the hypothesis is fundamentally unfalsifiable.

LesterBoffo wrote:

MIG29pilot wrote:;)
You cannot swing the sword of truth in a crowd without someone getting hurt.

Yeah and flinging poo at a wall makes the wall messy and stink. So?

I used to want to do that.... never actually did it.

Lydiot wrote:

LesterBoffo wrote:

MIG29pilot wrote:Lester what on Earth do you mean by a belief system? One believes, or one doesn't.

How very binary of you. There could possibly be a third way? Agnostic's have long countered binary thinking that you have to either believe or not.

I disagree. As far as I know "gnosis" refers to knowledge whereas the "belief" referred to is no doubt "theism" (right?). So in one sense I think MIG is right; you either subscribe to the proposition that god exists (theism) or you do not (Atheism).

However, regardless of what your belief is about it your knowledge is a different matter. So being an atheist doesn't mean one isn't also an agnostic. Likewise one could be an agnostic theist. In my opinion the only unreasonable position is that of saying one knows, for a fact, unequivocally, that god exists, seeing that the hypothesis is fundamentally unfalsifiable.

Which is where faith comes in.